or,,a response to pk's response to mkillie's,,,'Reply To pk *dolt* post...'
Yeah,,another anti-psychoganda piece featuring the logic
misadventures of that irrepresable,spunky yet intellectually
challenged little psychotic murderer supporting relative of the
dear departed Fahquar,,PK Mouse,aka,,pkpost.
You can find the original posts here:
When dkhatts away PKMouse tries to play.
Play times over.
It's more like pk needs a 'logic lesson'.
Here,let me show you.
pk wrote to miss killie:
~But does seem that you do not know what America is all about.
You drone on ad infinitum about "...ANYONE who comes across our
borders illegally is breaking the law....~
One thing America has allways been adamant about,,obey the laws.
Don't believe it?Look at how many legal citizens are locked up over violating laws.
So,,someone who knew what America was all about would know that one thing it IS about is 'law enforcement',,no?
What's wrong with 'droning on ad infinitum' about someone breaking a federal immigration law?
After all,,IF a person comes here illegally,,AREN'T they breaking the law?
Isn't that the same as saying,,'You drone on ad infinitum about ANYONE who breaks a law is breaking a law.'
How can you possiblly find dispute with that statement?
Do you sit up nights thinking of ways to make yourself look stoopid?
And then you go on to type this example of,,a complete lack of any ability to follow a logic trail adequately.
~Yeah, well, so is speeding. Have you been sent to jail or sent back to the
town you USED to live in because you were speeding?~
Of course not,,yet,,your 'possesion of a drivers license' will be terminated.
IOW,,you won't be 'allowed' to LEGALLY occupy a drivers seat in any vehicle while it goes down a road.
As in,,you will be doing it illegally because you don't have a 'permit'.
Like,you know,,no paperwork.
Yeah,,bureaucracy,,something else that is an integral part of what America is 'all about'.
~What if mistreatment by the sheriff in your old town is the reason you moved away?~
(uhh,,if you were allready MOVED out of his town,,why were you still speeding?That sounds like you are using a no longer immediate threat to justify a criminal action.)
Then you go to the proper authorites and take action within the framework of your countrys legal system.
At least here in America you do.
~How would you like to be sent BACK to HIS care because you were driving 57 MPH on the x-way in your NEW town?~
(uhh,,if you were allready MOVED out of his town,,why were you still speeding?That sounds like you are using a no longer immediate threat to justify a criminal action.)
What an unbalanced,illogical comparison.
Are you saying that all the 'criminal immigrants' are only passing through?
Are you infering that Mexico is a 'human rights' violator?
Are you equating different 'towns' within 'states' within a 'nation' with different nations within the world?
Or are you saying that Mexican nationals should give up and run from oppression rather than do like Americans through history and fight the oppressor?
(What were you saying about someone needing a history lesson?)
Then you go on to resond to this:
~"...I don't give a tinker's damn who they are and if they are trying to provide
for their families, they are doing it "ILLEGALLY!"..."~
~Uh, huh. How compassionate and American of you... NOT!~
And it makes you look like some kind of real idiot,,do you know that?
Is that what you are trying to do,,make folk think you are devoid of any sense at all?
Or are you an 'anarchist'?
If not,,how do you get a lack of compasion from a desire to 'uphold law'?
Do you agree that the person who robs someone to feed his kid is in need of compassion?
What if it was you that got robbed,,and your kids needed that money they took to eat?
And do you think that just because he was poor it's okay to 'grant amnesty' for a criminal act?
That ain't how they treated this poor white American born cracker.
My 'broke' butt went to jail when I got caught breaking the laws of the U.S.
As for this:
~"...There are a helluva lot more than just a few that are causing the problem
Totally, absolutely, and completely WRONG. There are upwards of
10,000,000 people living in the US today who might be identified as being
here "illegally". Far less than 1% were arrested for doing bad things last
year. In the math I learned when I was in school, 1% is a pretty small
Here's some numbers:
If 10,000,000 are identifiable as being here illegally.
And illegally equals 'a bad thing'.
Then,,the percentage of illegal immigrants that commit a crime is,,100%.
According to the math I learned,,,even before I went to school.
Of course your attempt to substitute 'commiting a crime' for 'being arrested' exposes a much more alarming issue.
That is,,,there are 10,000,000 crime committing forign nationals in our country.
And only 1% are getting arrested.
some more numbers:
~Criminal aliensnon-citizens who commit crimesare a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone~
here's some from '95:
~The report, released back in 1995 by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, says that while Hispanics comprised 9 percent of the driving population, "21 percent of those arrested for impaired-driving nationally were Hispanic." They also are involved in proportionately more crashes than whites or blacks, the study showed.~
~In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.~
~In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.~
Here's some words:
~Good luck finding any reference to such facts in official crime analysis. The LAPD and the L.A. city attorney recently requested an injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood, targeting the 18th Street Gang and the nongang members who sell drugs in Hollywood for the gang. Those nongang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business.~
You can find more here:
All that is history,,did ya notice?
~Now do we drill down to the jist of your ire? "...sneaking in... in the dark...?
Like you see on TV so often? Especially right wing TV. Even (gasp!) on
CNN? All too easy to read between the lines here - it isn't "illegal aliens"
per sé, it is MEXICAN ones. A little dark skin here, a little spanish accent
there, and vóila! a "cockroach" threat to America. Please, even Bill O'Lielly
hides his racism better than that!~
What are trying to do with this?
Invoke the 'racism' gods?
Are you a Mexican?Or an American?
Or just a MO-ron?
Don't the ones that sneak in at night,,sneak in at night?
And I am sure misskillie would call any one of any race a cockroach if they did stuff she thought was cockroachy.
Personally,,I find such names counterproductive except in verbal game playing,,like this:
Have you never heard the song,,'La Cucharacha!'?
~The cockroach, the cockroach, no longer wants to go anywhere because he doesn't have any lemonade to drink.~
(hey,,does that mean he will stay home if someone takes his lemonade away?Is lemonade comparable to corona and lime?He gets buzzed and wanders?)
So,,I doubt I myself would use it to refer to anyone.
But the use of it regarding a person 'sneaking in at night' is not unreasonable nor unacceptable,,especially when one considers they are 'acting illegally' when they 'smuggle' their 'contraband selves' across the border.
On the other hand,,you targeting it's use,,while entirely expectable,,is simply showing your blatant disengenuous attempt at obscuring her disapproval behind 'racism' on her part.
As if,,just disapproving of Mexican Nationals sneaking into our country qualifies one as 'racist' or prejudiced against only Mexicans doing it.
Here,,even misskillie shows that the solution,,as far as America should be concerned about a forign nations internal politics and economy,,is simple.
~"...The rest of them can either stay in their own country and fix the root of the
problems in their own country..."~
And you say this to it:
~Generalist uniformed hogwash. Look at the problems we have HERE in
our OWN country - poverty, hunger, homelessness, gun violence, illiteracy,
urban decay, etc. And that is just among the people who were BORN here.
Please describe for us just how easy it is to get the US Congress to make
substantive movement on these issues and then maybe you could
educate others on fixing "...the root of the problems in their own country..."?
Easier said than done, fool.~
Uniformed,,I suppose means uninformed,,so let's look at what your response informs us about how logical your refutation of misskillies suggestion actually is:
1.You point out that we have the same problems they have.
(why do they want to come here then?)
2.You claim that it is 'just among the people who were born here',,conveniently ignored,discounting the legal immigrants and the fact,,like you pointing out above,,there are at least 10,000,000 illegals here.
(making your assertion patently false,,by your own words.)
3.A description of how easy it is to get OUR U.S. Congress to address OUR U.S. problems includes being a citizen of and in the country called the U.S.A.,,not Mexico.
(Then you say,,not easy.)
4.So,,let's educate.The root of Mexicos problems are in Mexico,,not in the U.S.Therefore to fix their problems they must at least start with:
5.Go home and affect a change in their own Mexican gov,,like Americans have done through out American history.
(IOW,,go back to Mexico and act like an American would in America,,there,,done,,easily,,,,and is a fool any better than a cockroach?)
And I did notice the sidestep you did to get away from facing the lack of logic displayed when confronted with the 'law' abiding' aspects of the 'illegal immigrants' and how it translates into reality if logically and equally applied.
(Something else America is all about)
~"But the vast, overwhelming majority only wish to feed their families and
partake of the great American Dream."
"...The same could be said of drug dealers and bank robbers..."
Talk about convoluted logic, hoo boy! That one can just lie there and stink
all by itself! Phewee!~
Convoluted logic would be used if trying to justify a non equitable distribution of logic as applied to 'abiding lawfully and legally with in a system with laws' such as exists with in America.
(ooh,,smells like rotten moonfruit to me)
~That is NOT what this is about at all. Your comparison is totally arbitrary,
mendacious, and derisory.~
~"...some folks have the attitude "Oh well they broke into our house and no
one caught them. so now just forget it and let them take what they want...."~
When your chosen example is this:
~A man is pounding on your front door and screaming "Please help me! I
am being chased by thugs who have beaten me and kidnapped members
of my family. I am bleeding, I am hungry, I am thirsty, and I am freezing
cold. Please let me in! I need help!"~
Shows something like a lack of reasoning ability on your part,pk.
Afterall,,the reality is that they aren't standing on the stoop hollering,,they are allready in the house.
THAT IS what this IS all about,,they are IN,,with out 'permission'.
On top of that,,to infer that all of those coming in illegally are in such straits is simply wrong and lacks merit.
I personally know 'illegals' and 'legals',,not one,,not one has ver said such as that to me as being the reason they came here.
As a matter of fact,,they all say the same thing,,'To live in America,make money and send some home'.
Do you know any?It doesn't sound like you do,,or you are lying thinking it helps them.
And what's wrong with this,,if all Americans have to do it too?
~And your response is, "Not till you wait in line at the DMV, Post Office, and
for a flu shot, show me your library card, your kiwanis membership card,
your shopper's club card, your insurance card, your Walmart credit card,
your JC Penney credit card, your Mobil gas card, your timecard, your
thruway EZ-Pass, your driver's license, your wife's driver's license, your
dog's license, and the footprint on your birth certificate when you were a
After all,,that's what we LEGAL AMERICANS face as well,,because that's the way America works,,right?And the illegals are making everyone get treated suspiciously in order to verify IDENTITY & CITIZENSHIP,,which is what the illegals don't have.
You know,,paper work,,and permission.
Why should they get 'special treatment'?
IF they were here 'legally' they wouldn't be lacking the ID.
Besides,,they can get a hospital visit if hurt.And that's part of the problem.Illegal forigners sucking our resources dry whille violating our laws and sending our money OUTSIDE of our economy to a forign nation which they are nationals of.What do you think contributes to higher health care costs?Illegals paying their bills?Or taxes collected from 'legal' people having money taken from their paychecks?
So with that said,,the rest of your fantasy is moot,,but here it is anyway:
~Then as his tormentors close in and prepare to pounce, he hurls himself
in through an open window. Wherein you put your gun to his temple, and
tell him that unless he can produce that dog license, you'll either shoot him
or shove him back outside. With tears streaming down his face, you push
him back onto the porch where the gang that was chasing him beats him
to within a thread of his life, then as he starves, he bleeds to death. You
drag him out to the gutter for the WM truck to come, and put up a 20 foot tall
fence around your house topped by concertina wire the next day.~
Again,,no legal or illegal immigrant I have ever met has had such a terrible story to tell about why they came here.
Besides,,the gang running down the street chasing him must have snuck in behind him if they chased him OUT OF HIS country,into our neighborhood,no?
Those thugs are criminals too,,should we not do something to them?
As usual pkpost,,you excuse the 'murderous psychopaths' and ignore the fact that they caused the man to run in the first place by terrorising him,,just like those 'oh,so noble Islamic Freedom Fighters' you support so often.
Don't you feel all good inside now, pkmouse?
Of course,,here,,I have to agree with ya pk:
~"...And I think they were trained to be that way for a reason. To disrupt the
norm here in the States. Just a bunch of socialist pot head discontents..."
You call that "thinking"? I would tend toward disagreeing with that
To lump a pot smoker in with all those 'just because they smoke pot' is ludricous,,and is evidence of the effects of 'the war on drugs' indoctrination that allows for villification of someone simply due to something they consume rather than what they do.
Besides,,none of those folks smoke pot,,just ask them,,they'll tell you they aren't drug users,,it's too non pc now.
Of course that agreeing only goes for that above statement,,'Now do we drill down to the jist of your ire?'
I say surely we do,,
~The reason America is so fu**ed up today is because we the people have
FORGOTTEN what America is all about. The Constitution has been
shredded into confetti by the neos in order to consoldate their icy grip on
right wing religious conservative white-is-right POWER. This lust and
penchant for corporate greed is dividing America. And the fight over
immigration is meant to DISTRACT us all from the TRULY important crisis
that face America today - the disgraceful wasteful sensless unnecessay
Blood for Oil Crusade Against Iraq, the loss of jobs, the decline of income,
the lack of access to quality health care, and the destruction of our political
system by the neo-cons. When America faces up to those issues in a
meaningful way, the immigration question will answer itself.~
1.religious conservative white-is-right
2.the disgraceful wasteful sensless unnecessay Blood for Oil Crusade Against Iraq
There ya go,,'the jist of YOUR ire',,white folks and the war against the PSYCHOPATHS murdering innocent folks to garner political power so they can fullfill their own desires for pwer,profit,privelidge and position,
You stand as exposed as you wished to make mkillie appear.
And your final parting words are even MORE applicable to someone who shows they only want America to bow to the Islamic Empire and will do anything they can to cause dissention,doubt,strife and confusion on any and all levels to weaken the Unity of Americas Diverse Base regarding the appropiate response to the threat from forign nations and peoples that exist currently.
~In the meantime, you dolt, TAKE AN AMERICAN HISTORY CLASS. You'll be
glad you did. ~
Because you'll see that even if and AS we fight amongst ourselves,,we will UNITE against any foe to defend each other.
Just like family should.
Just like those murderous Islamist psychopaths claims to,,right before they blow up one of their own to make a political point.
Shooting at the moonfruit,,still,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man
©Roy Harbin/The DANG DinGIE American/2007®
roy harbin is roy l.harbin aka,,the dang-dingie american aka,,the evil white man