or,,a response to pk's response to mkillie's,,,'Reply To pk *dolt* post...'
Yeah,,another anti-psychoganda piece featuring the logic
misadventures of that irrepresable,spunky yet intellectually
challenged little psychotic murderer supporting relative of the
dear departed Fahquar,,PK Mouse,aka,,pkpost.
You can find the original posts here:
http://boards.excite.com/jsp/topicview.jsp?tid=499858&va=14
When dkhatts away PKMouse tries to play.
Play times over.
History lessons?
It's more like pk needs a 'logic lesson'.
Here,let me show you.
pk wrote to miss killie:
~But does seem that you do not know what America is all about.
You drone on ad infinitum about "...ANYONE who comes across
our
borders illegally is breaking the law....~
One thing America has allways been adamant about,,obey the laws.
Don't believe it?Look at how many legal citizens are locked up
over violating laws.
So,,someone who knew what America was all about would know that
one thing it IS about is 'law enforcement',,no?
IOW,,
What's wrong with 'droning on ad infinitum' about someone
breaking a federal immigration law?
After all,,IF a person comes here illegally,,AREN'T they breaking
the law?
Isn't that the same as saying,,'You drone on ad infinitum about
ANYONE who breaks a law is breaking a law.'
How can you possiblly find dispute with that statement?
Do you sit up nights thinking of ways to make yourself look
stoopid?
And then you go on to type this example of,,a complete lack of
any ability to follow a logic trail adequately.
~Yeah, well, so is speeding. Have you been sent to jail or sent
back to the
town you USED to live in because you were speeding?~
Of course not,,yet,,your 'possesion of a drivers license' will be
terminated.
IOW,,you won't be 'allowed' to LEGALLY occupy a drivers seat in
any vehicle while it goes down a road.
As in,,you will be doing it illegally because you don't have a
'permit'.
Like,you know,,no paperwork.
Yeah,,bureaucracy,,something else that is an integral part of
what America is 'all about'.
~What if mistreatment by the sheriff in your old town is the
reason you moved away?~
(uhh,,if you were allready MOVED out of his town,,why were you
still speeding?That sounds like you are using a no longer
immediate threat to justify a criminal action.)
Then you go to the proper authorites and take action within the
framework of your countrys legal system.
At least here in America you do.
~How would you like to be sent BACK to HIS care because you were
driving 57 MPH on the x-way in your NEW town?~
(uhh,,if you were allready MOVED out of his town,,why were you
still speeding?That sounds like you are using a no longer
immediate threat to justify a criminal action.)
What an unbalanced,illogical comparison.
Are you saying that all the 'criminal immigrants' are only
passing through?
To where?
Are you infering that Mexico is a 'human rights' violator?
Are you equating different 'towns' within 'states' within a
'nation' with different nations within the world?
Or are you saying that Mexican nationals should give up and run
from oppression rather than do like Americans through history and
fight the oppressor?
(What were you saying about someone needing a history lesson?)
Then you go on to resond to this:
~"...I don't give a tinker's damn who they are and if they
are trying to provide
for their families, they are doing it
"ILLEGALLY!"..."~
Like this:
~Uh, huh. How compassionate and American of you... NOT!~
And it makes you look like some kind of real idiot,,do you know
that?
Is that what you are trying to do,,make folk think you are devoid
of any sense at all?
Or are you an 'anarchist'?
If not,,how do you get a lack of compasion from a desire to
'uphold law'?
Do you agree that the person who robs someone to feed his kid is
in need of compassion?
What if it was you that got robbed,,and your kids needed that
money they took to eat?
And do you think that just because he was poor it's okay to
'grant amnesty' for a criminal act?
That ain't how they treated this poor white American born
cracker.
My 'broke' butt went to jail when I got caught breaking the laws
of the U.S.
As for this:
~"...There are a helluva lot more than just a few that are
causing the problem
and havoc...."
Totally, absolutely, and completely WRONG. There are upwards of
10,000,000 people living in the US today who might be identified
as being
here "illegally". Far less than 1% were arrested for
doing bad things last
year. In the math I learned when I was in school, 1% is a pretty
small
number.~
Here's some numbers:
If 10,000,000 are identifiable as being here illegally.
And illegally equals 'a bad thing'.
Then,,the percentage of illegal immigrants that commit a crime
is,,100%.
According to the math I learned,,,even before I went to school.
Of course your attempt to substitute 'commiting a crime' for
'being arrested' exposes a much more alarming issue.
That is,,,there are 10,000,000 crime committing forign nationals
in our country.
And only 1% are getting arrested.
Shameful,,isn't it?
some more numbers:
~Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a
growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as
a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our
federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal
aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000
criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29
percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and
a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners
represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison
population. Over the past five years, an average of more than
72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone~
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9c
here's some from '95:
~The report, released back in 1995 by the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration, says that while Hispanics
comprised 9 percent of the driving population, "21 percent
of those arrested for impaired-driving nationally were
Hispanic." They also are involved in proportionately more
crashes than whites or blacks, the study showed.~
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17717
some more:
~In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens,
researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of
459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien.
Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about
21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000)
had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had
11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.~
http://www.sierratimes.com/06/06/23/152_163_101_8_68330.htm
some more:
~In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for
homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up
to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for
illegal aliens.~
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
Here's some words:
~Good luck finding any reference to such facts in official crime
analysis. The LAPD and the L.A. city attorney recently requested
an injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood, targeting
the 18th Street Gang and the “non–gang members”
who sell drugs in Hollywood for the gang. Those non–gang
members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the
country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay
off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many
soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the
business.~
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
You can find more here:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/crime/toc.html
http://www.vdare.com/misc/walsh_interview.htm
All that is history,,did ya notice?
Now,this:
~Now do we drill down to the jist of your ire? "...sneaking
in... in the dark...?
Like you see on TV so often? Especially right wing TV. Even
(gasp!) on
CNN? All too easy to read between the lines here - it isn't
"illegal aliens"
per sé, it is MEXICAN ones. A little dark skin here, a little
spanish accent
there, and vóila! a "cockroach" threat to America.
Please, even Bill O'Lielly
hides his racism better than that!~
What are trying to do with this?
Invoke the 'racism' gods?
Are you a Mexican?Or an American?
Or just a MO-ron?
Don't the ones that sneak in at night,,sneak in at night?
And I am sure misskillie would call any one of any race a
cockroach if they did stuff she thought was cockroachy.
Personally,,I find such names counterproductive except in verbal
game playing,,like this:
Have you never heard the song,,'La Cucharacha!'?
Hear,,,
http://www.lilesnet.com/fun_things/cucharacha/default.html
~The cockroach, the cockroach, no longer wants to go anywhere
because he doesn't have any lemonade to drink.~
(hey,,does that mean he will stay home if someone takes his
lemonade away?Is lemonade comparable to corona and lime?He gets
buzzed and wanders?)
So,,I doubt I myself would use it to refer to anyone.
But the use of it regarding a person 'sneaking in at night' is
not unreasonable nor unacceptable,,especially when one considers
they are 'acting illegally' when they 'smuggle' their 'contraband
selves' across the border.
On the other hand,,you targeting it's use,,while entirely
expectable,,is simply showing your blatant disengenuous attempt
at obscuring her disapproval behind 'racism' on her part.
As if,,just disapproving of Mexican Nationals sneaking into our
country qualifies one as 'racist' or prejudiced against only
Mexicans doing it.
Here,,even misskillie shows that the solution,,as far as America
should be concerned about a forign nations internal politics and
economy,,is simple.
~"...The rest of them can either stay in their own country
and fix the root of the
problems in their own country..."~
And you say this to it:
~Generalist uniformed hogwash. Look at the problems we have HERE
in
our OWN country - poverty, hunger, homelessness, gun violence,
illiteracy,
urban decay, etc. And that is just among the people who were BORN
here.
Please describe for us just how easy it is to get the US Congress
to make
substantive movement on these issues and then maybe you could
educate others on fixing "...the root of the problems in
their own country..."?
Easier said than done, fool.~
Uniformed,,I suppose means uninformed,,so let's look at what your
response informs us about how logical your refutation of
misskillies suggestion actually is:
1.You point out that we have the same problems they have.
(why do they want to come here then?)
2.You claim that it is 'just among the people who were born
here',,conveniently ignored,discounting the legal immigrants and
the fact,,like you pointing out above,,there are at least
10,000,000 illegals here.
(making your assertion patently false,,by your own words.)
3.A description of how easy it is to get OUR U.S. Congress to
address OUR U.S. problems includes being a citizen of and in the
country called the U.S.A.,,not Mexico.
(Then you say,,not easy.)
4.So,,let's educate.The root of Mexicos problems are in
Mexico,,not in the U.S.Therefore to fix their problems they must
at least start with:
5.Go home and affect a change in their own Mexican gov,,like
Americans have done through out American history.
(IOW,,go back to Mexico and act like an American would in
America,,there,,done,,easily,,,,and is a fool any better than a
cockroach?)
And I did notice the sidestep you did to get away from facing the
lack of logic displayed when confronted with the 'law' abiding'
aspects of the 'illegal immigrants' and how it translates into
reality if logically and equally applied.
(Something else America is all about)
~"But the vast, overwhelming majority only wish to feed
their families and
partake of the great American Dream."
"...The same could be said of drug dealers and bank
robbers..."
Talk about convoluted logic, hoo boy! That one can just lie there
and stink
all by itself! Phewee!~
Convoluted logic would be used if trying to justify a non
equitable distribution of logic as applied to 'abiding lawfully
and legally with in a system with laws' such as exists with in
America.
(ooh,,smells like rotten moonfruit to me)
Saying this:
~That is NOT what this is about at all. Your comparison is
totally arbitrary,
mendacious, and derisory.~
About this:
~"...some folks have the attitude "Oh well they broke
into our house and no
one caught them. so now just forget it and let them take what
they want...."~
When your chosen example is this:
~A man is pounding on your front door and screaming "Please
help me! I
am being chased by thugs who have beaten me and kidnapped members
of my family. I am bleeding, I am hungry, I am thirsty, and I am
freezing
cold. Please let me in! I need help!"~
Shows something like a lack of reasoning ability on your part,pk.
Afterall,,the reality is that they aren't standing on the stoop
hollering,,they are allready in the house.
THAT IS what this IS all about,,they are IN,,with out
'permission'.
On top of that,,to infer that all of those coming in illegally
are in such straits is simply wrong and lacks merit.
I personally know 'illegals' and 'legals',,not one,,not one has
ver said such as that to me as being the reason they came here.
As a matter of fact,,they all say the same thing,,'To live in
America,make money and send some home'.
Do you know any?It doesn't sound like you do,,or you are lying
thinking it helps them.
And what's wrong with this,,if all Americans have to do it too?
~And your response is, "Not till you wait in line at the
DMV, Post Office, and
for a flu shot, show me your library card, your kiwanis
membership card,
your shopper's club card, your insurance card, your Walmart
credit card,
your JC Penney credit card, your Mobil gas card, your timecard,
your
thruway EZ-Pass, your driver's license, your wife's driver's
license, your
dog's license, and the footprint on your birth certificate when
you were a
baby.~
After all,,that's what we LEGAL AMERICANS face as well,,because
that's the way America works,,right?And the illegals are making
everyone get treated suspiciously in order to verify IDENTITY
& CITIZENSHIP,,which is what the illegals don't have.
You know,,paper work,,and permission.
Why should they get 'special treatment'?
IF they were here 'legally' they wouldn't be lacking the ID.
Besides,,they can get a hospital visit if hurt.And that's part of
the problem.Illegal forigners sucking our resources dry whille
violating our laws and sending our money OUTSIDE of our economy
to a forign nation which they are nationals of.What do you think
contributes to higher health care costs?Illegals paying their
bills?Or taxes collected from 'legal' people having money taken
from their paychecks?
So with that said,,the rest of your fantasy is moot,,but here it
is anyway:
~Then as his tormentors close in and prepare to pounce, he hurls
himself
in through an open window. Wherein you put your gun to his
temple, and
tell him that unless he can produce that dog license, you'll
either shoot him
or shove him back outside. With tears streaming down his face,
you push
him back onto the porch where the gang that was chasing him beats
him
to within a thread of his life, then as he starves, he bleeds to
death. You
drag him out to the gutter for the WM truck to come, and put up a
20 foot tall
fence around your house topped by concertina wire the next day.~
Again,,no legal or illegal immigrant I have ever met has had such
a terrible story to tell about why they came here.
Besides,,the gang running down the street chasing him must have
snuck in behind him if they chased him OUT OF HIS country,into
our neighborhood,no?
Those thugs are criminals too,,should we not do something to
them?
As usual pkpost,,you excuse the 'murderous psychopaths' and
ignore the fact that they caused the man to run in the first
place by terrorising him,,just like those 'oh,so noble Islamic
Freedom Fighters' you support so often.
Don't you feel all good inside now, pkmouse?
Of course,,here,,I have to agree with ya pk:
~"...And I think they were trained to be that way for a
reason. To disrupt the
norm here in the States. Just a bunch of socialist pot head
discontents..."
You call that "thinking"? I would tend toward
disagreeing with that
ludicrous sentiment.~
To lump a pot smoker in with all those 'just because they smoke
pot' is ludricous,,and is evidence of the effects of 'the war on
drugs' indoctrination that allows for villification of someone
simply due to something they consume rather than what they do.
Besides,,none of those folks smoke pot,,just ask them,,they'll
tell you they aren't drug users,,it's too non pc now.
Of course that agreeing only goes for that above statement,,'Now
do we drill down to the jist of your ire?'
I say surely we do,,
~The reason America is so fu**ed up today is because we the
people have
FORGOTTEN what America is all about. The Constitution has been
shredded into confetti by the neos in order to consoldate their
icy grip on
right wing religious conservative white-is-right POWER. This lust
and
penchant for corporate greed is dividing America. And the fight
over
immigration is meant to DISTRACT us all from the TRULY important
crisis
that face America today - the disgraceful wasteful sensless
unnecessay
Blood for Oil Crusade Against Iraq, the loss of jobs, the decline
of income,
the lack of access to quality health care, and the destruction of
our political
system by the neo-cons. When America faces up to those issues in
a
meaningful way, the immigration question will answer itself.~
1.religious conservative white-is-right
2.the disgraceful wasteful sensless unnecessay Blood for Oil
Crusade Against Iraq
There ya go,,'the jist of YOUR ire',,white folks and the war
against the PSYCHOPATHS murdering innocent folks to garner
political power so they can fullfill their own desires for
pwer,profit,privelidge and position,
You stand as exposed as you wished to make mkillie appear.
And your final parting words are even MORE applicable to someone
who shows they only want America to bow to the Islamic Empire and
will do anything they can to cause dissention,doubt,strife and
confusion on any and all levels to weaken the Unity of Americas
Diverse Base regarding the appropiate response to the threat from
forign nations and peoples that exist currently.
~In the meantime, you dolt, TAKE AN AMERICAN HISTORY CLASS.
You'll be
glad you did. ~
Because you'll see that even if and AS we fight amongst
ourselves,,we will UNITE against any foe to defend each other.
Just like family should.
Just like those murderous Islamist psychopaths claims to,,right
before they blow up one of their own to make a political point.
Shooting at the moonfruit,,still,,
The DANG-DInGIE American
aka,, The Evil White Man
©Roy Harbin/The DANG – DinGIE American/2007®
roy harbin is roy l.harbin aka,,the dang-dingie american aka,,the evil white man
2007